Another weird topic
You know. It's really weird how reading about one topic on one thread can lead you to think about something else almost entirely unrelated.
The thread about the LX8 has led me to ponder truly modeled spoked wheels in LFS and how would they be affected by LFS physics.
One of the reasons spoke wheels fell out of favor with performance cars was at higher speeds, they had a tendency to come loose. If those type spoked wheels were to be modeled for LFS for say the road cars, would that be a factor? I mean if you actually rendered the spokes, threads and all and coded the torquing down of those spokes, would there be a risk for them to come loose? or would the loosening factor have to be coded in as well. I know you can simply draw up wheels that look like spoked wheels. But that's not really what I'm wanting. I guess what I'm really wanting to know is how realistic can you get? And could something like this be done within the confines of the game engine without draining resources or some sort of massive redo?
The thread about the LX8 has led me to ponder truly modeled spoked wheels in LFS and how would they be affected by LFS physics.
One of the reasons spoke wheels fell out of favor with performance cars was at higher speeds, they had a tendency to come loose. If those type spoked wheels were to be modeled for LFS for say the road cars, would that be a factor? I mean if you actually rendered the spokes, threads and all and coded the torquing down of those spokes, would there be a risk for them to come loose? or would the loosening factor have to be coded in as well. I know you can simply draw up wheels that look like spoked wheels. But that's not really what I'm wanting. I guess what I'm really wanting to know is how realistic can you get? And could something like this be done within the confines of the game engine without draining resources or some sort of massive redo?
Here's the thing with HRC. She can get away with this because of two reasons. The first one. Look who are responsible for pursuing the cases against her. By the the time they can compile enough evidence to build an air tight case against her and her regime, she'll be President. What happens to all those investigators then?
Hillary Clinton is a very big fish. Unlike with Don Gotti and OJ Simpson and even Mark Zimmerman, if they fail to get a conviction, they're as good as dead. And if her administration is in place before they can get indictments? Would you want to go after a Presidential candidate knowing you have a deadline you won't make and a current administration that's hostile to your investigation?
The second reason? Look at who is on her team. The mass media and the entertainment industry. Zany things like the transgendered bathrooms for pre-pubescent school kids are thrown up as smoke and mirrors.
Preferential attention gets paid to the candidates. Everyone knows all about Donald Trump.
And if you'll notice, the reporting on the Clinton emails and Benghazi are done in such a way as to make the accusers look like idiots. Even the camera angles are done in a way to enhance this effect to the person watching the news story.
And then there's how the Democrat party operates in general. How it gets a lot of its voters. Thankfully, we don't have trade unions getting in the way very much here, but in non right to work states, unions still have a hold on people. If you're, say a union welder, try showing up at the jobsite with a pro-republican bumper sticker on your car. You better have more than one spare tire. And if you don't donate to a candidate that the local endorses, try getting a job from the hall.
The way they handle minority and working poor voters is even more despicable. The democrats flat out control the social welfare industry of this country. Don't support them? Fine. Then starve.
Minority vote drives, this happens mostly in Black neighborhoods, but these clowns have been trying get a foot hold here in vato land and other Latino/Hispanic neighborhoods across the country too. They'll tell you how you have the freedom to vote and how your vote really does make a difference and how you need to exercise this God-given right. Say you agree, but somehow want to vote for a Republican? You'll find out real quick that what they really meant was you have the freedom and god-given right to vote for who they tell you to vote for.
That's how Hillary Clinton gets away with being Hillary Clinton.
Oh. I know! We could have the LX8 racing against..... UTES!
You just thought you were safe hiding in this thread. MUHAHAHAHAHAH
I dunno. I think that would be a good match up. The LX8 with the UFR and the XFR. But that match-up just seems a little weird conceptual wise. Not as weird as say a dragster in Formula V8 class, but getting there. I think there would have to be additional cars added to that class (a race version of the RB4 as well?) to balance it out a little better.
And if they did put out the LX8, hopefully it will have better looking wheels. When you see an LX4, just think that somewhere out in the Old West, a chuckwagon is up on blocks. And LOL if the LX8 just had to have a spare tire like the LX4, then maybe it could be mounted on the side of the car. Like an old Dusenburg or Diamler or something from the 1920's. But then it would have to have really shinny tires.
But it is. It's should show you why you have something to post about Hillary Clinton in the first place.
What does the wiki article have to do with brain dead parenting and playing fast and loose with their kid's genes?
Yeah, I'm kind of concerned. I get real concerned when defective types such as these flakes are given some sort of special consideration instead of the bullet in the head they deserve for being oh so willing to do that to their kid (prolly more like something to do with getting their 15 min.s of fame in more than anything else) And not only get that special consideration, but to expect me to just go along with it? And not just expect me, but extort me to bend to this stupidity. Yeah. Extort. The federal government has decided to suspend and federal funding to states that don't enforce the Pick your own bathroom garbage.
DO you even stop to think, no don't read off stats - THINK, what something like that can do to normal kids coming of age and are already a little awkward about sexual identification?
You know. This reminds me of something.... I remember seeing this punk band in a club called the Axiom back in the day. I went into the men's (?) room to pee. Sitting in the urinal, yes sitting in it, next to me was one of two lesbian chicks arguing.
Oh and if you somehow think transgendered people and murder need to be brought up, Forbin, then let's not forget Ed Gein.
"Soon after his mother's death, Gein began to create a "woman suit" so that "...he could become his mother—to literally crawl into her skin".[18] Gein's practice of donning the tanned skins of women was described as an "insane transvestite ritual."[38] Gein denied having sex with the bodies he exhumed, explaining: "They smelled too bad."[38] During state crime laboratory interrogation, Gein also admitted to the shooting death of Mary Hogan, a tavern owner missing since 1954 whose head was found in his house, but he later denied memory of details of her death."
I have a book called The Encyclopedia of American Crime. Yeah. He's in that book. THe Wiki article doesn't even touch the surface about Ol Ed.
So to avoid that pain, would a 4th trimester abortion be OK too?
What about when the kid grows up and realizes there's been a mistake? How about then?
No That's not an alternative Forbin. That's Bat Sh!t crazy. The alternative is use some common sense and deal with mental illness as mental illness. Or in the case of these scum bag parents - try actually being a parent.
I highly doubt that there is ANY sort of Genetic anomaly in the kid's chromosones and strongly suspect a kid with an over active imagination and a couple of dim-witted parents that are shining examples for using condoms, coddling to the madness.
See Racer X? This why we're getting stuck with that dirt bag Hillary in November. Someone comes along and makes sure that stupid crap like this takes the forefront instead of things that we really should be paying attention to..
Priorities Racer X. Priorities. It's all about Priorities and we've done thrown that out the freaking window along with common sense and logical reasoning.
And you think that's OK....
So.... with that logic it's OK for me to shoot my granddaughter thru the crossbow the next time she decides she's an arrow?
Wait... I'm Jesus Christ dammit! give me money! You know I'm Jesus because I said I was! Now give me money and my own special bathroom you sinner!
Now doesn't that make a lot of sense Forbin?
Yeah, I may be transphobic (afraid of defects?) but at least I'm not a gullible herd animal.
It's probably a good thing those stupid parents didn't have a kid that thought he was a gold fish - huh?
You know that saying about being in between a rock and a hard place? A Rolling Stones Song?
Here's a quick quiz - the4 kind that ain't on the citizenship test.
As a proud American, this presidential election, I can:
a - vote against Hillary and vote for Trump, who 'll lag behind her in November?
b - vote for a third party candidate, like a libertarian or a green and just take votes away from the only person that almost stood a chance to beat her?
c - give up and realize that she's got this hands down and that i'll have take an apologetic tone when discussing the finer points of political systems with Non Americans on the Internet?
Do you have any idea what's going to happen when she gets sworn in?
But then again, what do you expect? You go for all these arcane conspiracies... well the truth is stranger than fiction, cousin.
We have dams and highways falling apart. Why? because doing something about it isn't as glamorous as say squabbling over schools having transgendered bathrooms.
Speaking of, and this is off topic, I saw a commercial for a talk show. On it was a family that had some little freak boy that thought he was a girl. They were being applauded for getting this - I think 7 year old hormone inducing shots. Can you believe that? These parents should be locked up and sterilized. Not applauded. And yet, this is supposed to be acceptable. If that's the case, then why not go all the hell out and legalize 4th trimester abortions?
Like you have little Johnnie. He doesn't think he's a girl. In fact he doesn't think much at all. You realize little Johnnie isn't as bright as the other kids and probably won't ever be. You realize with little Johnnie, your retirement years are out the window as you'll still be supporting him and whatever bratty kids from whatever crackhead stripper he knocked up. Well. If it's OK to pump little johnnie full of hormones so he'll grow boobs and be little Joanie, then why not make it legal to take little Johnnie out the picture entirely if you think things aren't going to pan out?
You do realize how much more important of an issue this is than a couple of mis-placed emails, don't you?
At least that's the thing on America's mind right now.
You know, last week, my granddaughter was saying she was an arrow. How much trouble would I have gotten into if I dusted off the cross bow and ....
I think everyone should have their very own personal flag.
And it's a good thing you stick with your home flag Cargame, cause if you display the flag from where you're at, it might tip off the authorities and they'll deport you.......
Oh and people from California and Texas ARE two different species to each other. But they both have a lot of pick up trucks. Remember, stick with the subject.
The subject of moving to Belize comes up quite a bit in conversations around here. We're at the stage right now where we are seriously considering to seriously consider moving there. Oh yeah. They have pick up trucks there too. In fact, after getting soaked on a boat ride, I had to jump in the back of one to get to an airport. There. Still on the subject
Yeah, I think that would be the most practical. But I dunno... a street rod versus economy cars?
An LX8 would be the LFS equivalent to a muscle car. And even with slicks, I bet it would handle a lot like one.
I would like the LX8 too. I'd rather have that car than a "real" one.
WOw. Nice post. Lotta reading though. Yeah A car that runs forever doesn't do much for job security.
"a BMW a pretty good car? It's like technologically far beyond anything that was developed and built in your island nation."
Ever work on one? By the way... I think Shotglass gave me this link too. I think. It was years ago. But the cheapest place to get Beemer parts anywhere? Yep. Dallas. Yeah. Dallas, Texas. Some giant warehouse.
Don't get me started on those cars.
"The EU/usa are in financially troubled water these days with what is it a state debt for usa of 140% gdp and the EU 126%?"
The world's been running on imaginary money since the mid-1980s, so?
"(Another hard chess play and big loss for obama in the game Obama vs Putin)."
Obama's a lame duck President. If we get stuck with HIllary, she might go psycho on him. If we get stuck with Trump? ....Summit meetings between BFFd.
"This is more or less the reason why in the world of big companies its more or less last man standing and for smaller companies it will keep on being harder and harder just to continue being the second biggest. This while the biggest one continues eating the left overs from the ones that have fallen who were less big. Evident to this new york monetairy system though which we knew for years."
Know another reason that kills off the little guy economically? Socially progressive over-regulation.
The only folks that can afford those regulations, the fees to be certified. The training for the employees to be certified to be regulated to be certified to work there.... Mom and Pop businesses can't afford all that.
"Damn.. Maybe I have even been given this colonial citizen a reason now to back up the war that the usa is trying to create to Russia. Well.. it might be a sollution you know.. as economies always woke up very nicely after wars
just keep your children save 
"You really don't have a clue, do you? YOu keep bashing 'merica and don't even know what's going on.
There's a real potential for things to get nasty here. WWIII? LOLOL no. More like our second civil war.
But that's OK, Your future really isn't so bright either. And monetary issues won't even be on the billing.
You know, I hung out with some Swedish kids a while back. Really nice people. Smart as hell. No way I could live there. I'd probably get deported.
So. If you watched an episode of NCIS Sweden, and there was a cut scene of a Fiat step-side doing a nice drift on a back street in Copenhagen, would you buy it then?
Oh what am I thinking? You're from Sweden. All it'll take is for a couple of y'all to decide that having one needs to be required work benefit and you'll have them all over the place faster than you can say male maternity leave.
It looks like a cross between an El Camino and a standard pick-up truck to me.
@Gavin:
Wow.... No wonder. I don't like any of those models. Especially the neon. Thanks to a Top Gear rerun, I thought Chrysler was trying to sell those 300 cars (the Hoodmobile) and Challengers and Chargers in the UK.
LOL the best "dodge" you can get in the UK is the old Jensen Interceptor. All the ones (like two) I've seen had 440 hemis.
"Who is going to pay $50k for Corvette powered pseudo-pickup wearing a Chevrolet badge"
In the 1990's Chevy did just that. They billed it as the worlds fastest production pick up. It wasn't cheap, but it didn't have that big of a price tag. I think it had a limited run and not that many buyers.
Throw in Jennifer Anniston in a dominatrix outfit with a checkered flag, then maybe.
You know, it was the LX4 that made me go out and get a license in the first place, but I have to ask; Why are people interested in the LX8? No one even uses the 6 or the 4.
An LX8 would be nice, but what would it compete with? If you could control it, it would dominate the road cars and unless they put all sorts of spoilers on it and really beef up the motor, I don't see it doing so good against the GTR cars. It would have to be done like the MRT or the little Beemer. I don't remember what it's called.
Races where that car is the only one allowed in a race.... unless of course they put out more V8 models - or higher performing road cars than the current batch.
Even though I like the thought of an LX8, I can understand why they put it on a shelf. I never got to play with it, but I never heard much good about it from those that did. If they do bring out that car, It would be nice if it had velocity stacks sticking up out of the hood. Something that compliments the street rod Aesthetic this car has oozing all over.
An LX8 would be nice, but what would it compete with? If you could control it, it would dominate the road cars and unless they put all sorts of spoilers on it and really beef up the motor, I don't see it doing so good against the GTR cars. It would have to be done like the MRT or the little Beemer. I don't remember what it's called.
Races where that car is the only one allowed in a race.... unless of course they put out more V8 models - or higher performing road cars than the current batch.
Even though I like the thought of an LX8, I can understand why they put it on a shelf. I never got to play with it, but I never heard much good about it from those that did. If they do bring out that car, It would be nice if it had velocity stacks sticking up out of the hood. Something that compliments the street rod Aesthetic this car has oozing all over.
The only vehicles Chrysler makes that are halfway decent are HUGE. I wouldn't think they'd be very successful over there.
And I don't think American and Japanese makers have seriously considered marketing Trucks in the UK and Europe cause they're happy to just be able to get cars sold. This latest attempt from GM/Fiat might be the right one. Or it may fall flat on it's face. They're going to have to be as aggressive in marketing that truck as they were in marketing that little 300 scorpion car they've had success here with doing so.
Yeah. It might not. But you do realize that in this day and age that there are people that specialize in creating markets where there are none. Sure a pick up is a different product than say diet soda or a clothing line, but the same principles apply. And I wouldn't be surprised that tactics I brought up plus many more were utilized to bring this about.
Isn't that crazy? No market? No problem! just make one up! There's all sorts of books and courses that teaches how to do just that.
@cargame... Why do you think think the Extended cab models came about?
You really don't know how close you came to hitting the nail on the head again, do you?
LOL you're a natural. Ford needs to get a hold of you.
Years ago a study was done on car sales. This study was trying to find out who bought what car and why.
The consumer that was more likely to have practical notions of buying a car was a woman. They asked the important questions about a car. They were concerned with gas mileage, dependability, maintenance and stuff like that.
The male consumer? They tended to be more concerned with how fast the car went, what colors it came in and what kind of stereo was in it.
And I think the only hope to get pick up sales in Europe is to promote its practical side instead of showing some four wheeled monolith with flat screen TVs for the backseat passengers.
Wait a minute....
Too bad we don't have SKYPE, then you could see the light bulb go off over my head.
If Fiat and GM want to get an established market for the truck they want to sell, there's a whole big block of people they stand a good chance of succeeding with. Immigrants from N.Africa and the Middle East.
These folks like trucks too. And not just ISIS types either. Farmers, Skilled Laborers, small merchants.
You know... Al i really was doing when I started this thread was musing about an observation I had. That's it. Now three pages into it, I'm obsessed with trying to market a product where there's no market for it. And poor ol Cargame is having nightmares about being chased by ISIS members driving Bigfoot and Grave Digger, blaring Tejano music and waving rebel flags.
Yeah. The title of this thread and the first paragraph of the first post was meant to be nothing more than
my typical sarcastic nonsense. In fact, the first paragraph was a reflection of pretty much what you'll hear on the news networks of FOX, CNN, The BBC and AlJazeera about Western Europe, the whole EU thing in particular, when they get tired of discussing Donald Trump. It was something to make what I thought was going to be a boring question a little bit more interesting.
But not now. This Sh!t's for real.
Ok. I'm still being sarcastic there too, but still. This subject has become quite ponderous.
You know..... You know why BMWs are popular cars in the US? No. Not because its a good car. It is a pretty good car (as long as you don't have to work on it) but that's not the reason. No. The reason is because of it's use in a couple of movies during the early 1980's. Hollywood expanded on this with the concept of "product placement" in it's movies.
Producers did that as a way to cover the production costs of the movies.
If Fiat and GM is serious about wanting to market Trucks in Western Europe, they may want to look into that. Help finance a couple of local TV show episodes... ones that will show the Truck in positive light. Not a dominating feature of the show though. No something subtle. Just something in the background. Just enough for the viewer to take notice. It worked wonders for Dr Pepper in the 90's.
Yeah. If I had something to do with it, I'd go that route. Plus, I'd go a step further and hit a target demographic: Women. Yes women. Well not as being the actual operator of said vehicle, but as a strong supporter of the family getting the vehicle. I don't know how many times I've heard women say they wanted to get their husbands a truck. They don't want the husband to have the truck because he'd look cool driving one. She wants that so she can have him. a big empty bed and a whole weekend to get him and that bed to do whatever it is she wants done. I would also go regional if I could. Like there probably isn't going to be a market for one in Berlin, but maybe in Hemer? I don't think I'd push sport trucks too much. Or the really big extended cab monsters for obvious reasons,
But I wouldn't try to sell utility models.
Producers did that as a way to cover the production costs of the movies.
If Fiat and GM is serious about wanting to market Trucks in Western Europe, they may want to look into that. Help finance a couple of local TV show episodes... ones that will show the Truck in positive light. Not a dominating feature of the show though. No something subtle. Just something in the background. Just enough for the viewer to take notice. It worked wonders for Dr Pepper in the 90's.
Yeah. If I had something to do with it, I'd go that route. Plus, I'd go a step further and hit a target demographic: Women. Yes women. Well not as being the actual operator of said vehicle, but as a strong supporter of the family getting the vehicle. I don't know how many times I've heard women say they wanted to get their husbands a truck. They don't want the husband to have the truck because he'd look cool driving one. She wants that so she can have him. a big empty bed and a whole weekend to get him and that bed to do whatever it is she wants done. I would also go regional if I could. Like there probably isn't going to be a market for one in Berlin, but maybe in Hemer? I don't think I'd push sport trucks too much. Or the really big extended cab monsters for obvious reasons,
But I wouldn't try to sell utility models.
I'm at a total loss for the Hillary Clinton Phenomenon. I do know the term Ex-pat is sounding better and better.
Oh then I shoulda picked a more expensive car to compare to. Some of these kids convert a $2000 bucket of rust into 60k worth of motor, paint, interior and sound system.
Well. It's all but official. A Clinton Trump Showdown. Wow. That sucks.
I still think that Trump's in league with Hillary, but Who knows? If he just sticks to the same ol same ol school playground style name calling, he'll lose and I'll be convinced he was a scam all along. But if he really wants the Presidency, then he'll unleash a torrent of crap on her that could very well cast the Clintons completely out of the political picture here.
Every Presidential election, Serial Killer Charles Manson gets around 1500 votes. I think he'll get 1501 this time.
I still think that Trump's in league with Hillary, but Who knows? If he just sticks to the same ol same ol school playground style name calling, he'll lose and I'll be convinced he was a scam all along. But if he really wants the Presidency, then he'll unleash a torrent of crap on her that could very well cast the Clintons completely out of the political picture here.
Every Presidential election, Serial Killer Charles Manson gets around 1500 votes. I think he'll get 1501 this time.
ROFL
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to get the stupid idea stuck in your head...LOL
I'm trying to picture drive down the road, looking for trucks and thinking, "!*&^$$$ Racer Y!!!"
Consider yourslf lucky.
We have these "truck" clubs around here. Some of them are street versions of those racing Utes.
They put the name of their club in vinyl on the back window. Usually something stupid and mis-spelled. They drive like idiots and if you consider what they threw into to the truck money wise and consider they basically killed off any real use out of the vehicle besides going fast, they could've bought a Maserati.
and had money for gas.
"Now how to get rid of this attention to pickups I wonder. It's now in my head when I drive somewhere, thanks :["
LOLOLOLOLOL
Why didn't you post this sooner?
Yeah. You don't see many trucks in East Coast cities here for that reason. In fact, some of those folks don't even have a car or know how to drive one. To all of us West of the Mississippi River, that's almost like a death sentence. You can fit three or four New York Cities in Houston city limits. Yet they have zillions more people.
"Europe is much more densely populated than the US"....
That makes more sense. In Europe, a 130km drive is considered a road trip. Here? a daily work commute.
The density enables you to take smaller trips, just getting what you need for a shorter time. Here, in places you sometimes need to stock up as much as possible.
Rain.... on average, does it rain more in Western Europe than Canada, US and Mexico? LOL Rain sucks for pick up trucks. You could put a camper over the bed, but then it'd pretty much be a van.
My Suburban is kinda like that. And yeah.... it slurps gas.
Anyways, thanks for the post.
Thank You! THat's the point I've been trying to make all along. That you got bass ackwards is close enough.
That you think it's 'handy' doesn't mean the world share this view.
That's just it, the "world" DOES share that view. You do not. I don't mean you personally. You don't like trucks. I get that. You probably don't do much that would involve driving one, much less owning one.
I never understood those folks that buy a truck - and treat it like a sports sedan.
So yeah, I don't think you need to run out and buy a truck because of all the uses I have found for it.
You probably don't do anything near like what I do. But the whole continent?
Are you trying to say every last European from all those countries are just like you and live in such a way to where at least a few of them couldn't benefit by having such a vehicle? How the hell does that work?
...it as 'arrogant' if you think like that. I'm sure you can say your continent is being arrogant for not doing as the rest of the planet if you want to, but that really wouldn't justify the phenomenon, now would it?
Two things...
Where are you getting this crap and what does it have to do with no trucks in Europe? ... Dumb and naive... yeah, with the freedom to go pretty much wherever we want, the fact we are fighting off obesity instead of starvation. And we have access to 600 zillion channels without a damned thing worth watching. Yeah. We've got it so bad here. We're just a bunch of knuckle dragging simpletons - kicking up a mission to Mars. Yeah I guess it's a good thing we're very dumb and naive and not as Brilliant or worldly as you dude. No telling how screwed we'd be.
If you wanna hear ragging on America, instead hashing and rehashing the same old crap based on copy and paste left winger ranting. You should listen to real Americans and what we complain about... and what we're going to be complaining about in the near future. But something tells me you're going to be having enough fun in your little well regulated (over regulated?) little nation to worrying about the bad ol US of A.
..."But let me tell you, if this would have happened to the New York area or california.. or where your moneymaking, export, producing, important export/import infrastructure might be located (harbors e.g.)... I bet you it would have had much more attention than it had now
(Regardless what they might have done with previous funding)"You mean like when Hurricane Sandy hit? When we got hit by Ike, another Hurricane you didn't hear about, we didn't get all the attention that was given to the Katrina or Sandy storms. Was it because we're insignificant little numbers to the big machine? LOL where do you get this? No. It was because we know how to deal with Hurricanes. We were without power here for almost a month. You didn't see us shooting at rescue copters like with Katrina. You didn't see us whining for someone to blame like with Sandy. You saw us wait til it ended and make the most with what we had.
You're right though. If something happens to the gold states, you'll see much more attention given to them.
I think it has more to do with celebrity and political types all living in those places. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and they squeak a lot. The money? The real money is inland. All teh crap in NY City is just digital and stuff to fill the ATM machines with.
The funny thing about us and hurricanes are no matter how much we've geared up to minimalize the effects from these storms, we have an Achilles' Tendon. If a force 3 hurricane or higher gets into Galveston Bay without hitting Galveston Island and then the coast, the storm surge would be enough to go into all those chemical tanks up and down the Houston Ship Channel. They are rated to withstand a 15 foot surge. But a force 3 with the eye not blocked by land would override that. Maybe a 21 foot surge. You don't have to translate feet to metres, just realize than anything over 15 means destruction an a biblical scale.
If that were to ever happen it wouldn't just screw us up either. It would help the world on to the colossal cluster F*ck it seems to want to go towards. I guarantee you that there is at least one thing in your house that is made with something that came from one of those places. Google Earth Galveston Bay, visualize all that stuff under water. While you're gloating over how bad that must be for us dumb ingnert Americans, realize a big chunk of a lot crap you want, wont be happening anymore.
Oh. and a truck really came in handy then too.
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